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		<title>Comment on Recruiters &#8211; The client experience &#8211; will anything ever change? by Tracey Dunn</title>
		<link>http://bluesky-pr.net/blog/recruitment/recruiters-the-client-experience-will-anything-ever-change/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jack @steve interesting feedback - but I think the point is a wider one - if the company is inviting agencies in to engage with them that isn&#039;t that an ideal time for the PSL terms to be discussed?  If the PSL isn&#039;t working for the agencies then it obviously isn&#039;t going to work for the hiring organisation so I agree with Jack that agencies need to be brave enough to stand up and be counted.  Interestingly when we were hiring a new account manager a year or so ago we also engaged with a specialist agency, agreed to their standard t&amp;cs and then invited them to a meeting so that they could get a better understanding of us/our environment/our culture etc - they declined saying that they didn&#039;t need to - I told them that in that case we wouldn&#039;t be using them - it just smacks to me of a &quot;can&#039;t be arsed&quot; attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jack @steve interesting feedback &#8211; but I think the point is a wider one &#8211; if the company is inviting agencies in to engage with them that isn&#8217;t that an ideal time for the PSL terms to be discussed?  If the PSL isn&#8217;t working for the agencies then it obviously isn&#8217;t going to work for the hiring organisation so I agree with Jack that agencies need to be brave enough to stand up and be counted.  Interestingly when we were hiring a new account manager a year or so ago we also engaged with a specialist agency, agreed to their standard t&#038;cs and then invited them to a meeting so that they could get a better understanding of us/our environment/our culture etc &#8211; they declined saying that they didn&#8217;t need to &#8211; I told them that in that case we wouldn&#8217;t be using them &#8211; it just smacks to me of a &#8220;can&#8217;t be arsed&#8221; attitude.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Case Study: Twenty Recruitment by Mel Smith</title>
		<link>http://bluesky-pr.net/blog/bluesky/case-study-twenty-recruitment/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there you go, if proof were ever needed. Hard work gets you everywhere, along with expertise and the right people, of course. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there you go, if proof were ever needed. Hard work gets you everywhere, along with expertise and the right people, of course. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Recruiters &#8211; The client experience &#8211; will anything ever change? by Steve Ward (@CloudNineRec)</title>
		<link>http://bluesky-pr.net/blog/recruitment/recruiters-the-client-experience-will-anything-ever-change/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ward (@CloudNineRec)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jack&#039;s observation on the PSL.One reason to run away from any company to potentially supply, in my opinion. Over-control, low-rates, high-effort, too systematic, low success ratio - all equals antipathy.  

The recruiter-HR relationship is forever a strained one, and probably worse so since `inhouse recruitment` teams popped up. The PSL is one way of putting this distrust and anxiety over the process on a contract. 

I&#039;m one of those people who believes HR should oversee the process of recruitment, but not the actions and decisions. Let professionals in line management/directorship talk to professional recruiters who understand their clients&#039; market. 

This would increase the mutual respect factor and develop the relationship - allowing recruiters to be seen genuinely as specialists by the people who understand and ultimately make the hire. Then the comments might bear some different sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jack&#8217;s observation on the PSL.One reason to run away from any company to potentially supply, in my opinion. Over-control, low-rates, high-effort, too systematic, low success ratio &#8211; all equals antipathy.  </p>
<p>The recruiter-HR relationship is forever a strained one, and probably worse so since `inhouse recruitment` teams popped up. The PSL is one way of putting this distrust and anxiety over the process on a contract. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of those people who believes HR should oversee the process of recruitment, but not the actions and decisions. Let professionals in line management/directorship talk to professional recruiters who understand their clients&#8217; market. </p>
<p>This would increase the mutual respect factor and develop the relationship &#8211; allowing recruiters to be seen genuinely as specialists by the people who understand and ultimately make the hire. Then the comments might bear some different sentiment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recruiters &#8211; The client experience &#8211; will anything ever change? by Jack Barton</title>
		<link>http://bluesky-pr.net/blog/recruitment/recruiters-the-client-experience-will-anything-ever-change/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tracey

I too am stunned as to why PSL agencies didn&#039;t attend but can&#039;t help but wonder why?  Does anyone know the latest rates of the contract PSL that Nokia ask agencies to work to - I&#039;ve been given some numbers but would like some confirmation? I believe Hyphen (Spring) are involved on the perm side.

The bottom line is that if a PSL isn&#039;t working then something has to change.  If agencies aren&#039;t interested or can&#039;t supply at certain rates then they should be brave enough to admit that in order that the process can be managed efficiently.  It&#039;s a two way street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tracey</p>
<p>I too am stunned as to why PSL agencies didn&#8217;t attend but can&#8217;t help but wonder why?  Does anyone know the latest rates of the contract PSL that Nokia ask agencies to work to &#8211; I&#8217;ve been given some numbers but would like some confirmation? I believe Hyphen (Spring) are involved on the perm side.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that if a PSL isn&#8217;t working then something has to change.  If agencies aren&#8217;t interested or can&#8217;t supply at certain rates then they should be brave enough to admit that in order that the process can be managed efficiently.  It&#8217;s a two way street.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blackberry comms leave a bitter taste&#8230;. by Remember remember&#8230; &#124; Blue Sky PR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remember remember&#8230; &#124; Blue Sky PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It can lose business and damage a brands reputation. You only have to look at the recent Blackberry saga to realise how damaging it can [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Blackberry comms leave a bitter taste&#8230;. by Is good customer service dead and buried? &#124; Blue Sky PR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is good customer service dead and buried? &#124; Blue Sky PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Contact                                 Blackberry comms leave a bitter taste&#8230;. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on BlueSky&#8217;s newest recruit by Steve Crompton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Crompton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck with the new career. Make sure you keep Adrian in check!!</description>
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		<title>Comment on There&#8217;s a drumming inside my head &#8230;and it&#8217;s social media by Tracey Dunn</title>
		<link>http://bluesky-pr.net/blog/social-media/theres-a-drumming-inside-my-head-and-its-social-media/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right - I haven&#039;t really missed anything.  But I have to admit to coming back to work unaware that Steve Jobs had resigned!  And you are right about not having enough time in the day.  But..we are media relations advisers - and social media is one of those channels we have to know about and use because our clients are interested.  And now I really am going to the pub:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right &#8211; I haven&#8217;t really missed anything.  But I have to admit to coming back to work unaware that Steve Jobs had resigned!  And you are right about not having enough time in the day.  But..we are media relations advisers &#8211; and social media is one of those channels we have to know about and use because our clients are interested.  And now I really am going to the pub:)</p>
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		<title>Comment on There&#8217;s a drumming inside my head &#8230;and it&#8217;s social media by Alconcalcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alconcalcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the answer is, you haven&#039;t actually missed anything. I too was away in August and didn&#039;t once check into Twitter (I cannot abide Facebook but that&#039;s another story). Indeed, I only checked my email once, and, faced with over 200 messages in my inbox, quickly scanned through, saw there was nothing pressing and forgot about it for the duration.

To me, the furore about social media is way overblown Yes, it has its benefits business wise, but I am not as excited about it as many who swear it&#039;s the best thing since sliced bread, will be the death of the job boards and is destined to change the world forever, because I have already been there, done it back in 1999 when BBS forums and messengers were all the rage. We had meet ups, we laughed at each others silly user names, we discussed everything under the sun online. It was new and novel. I even got a bit of business out of it. But, the fact of the matter is that, although things have advanced from back then and as clever as it is, there isn&#039;t enough time in the day to cover all bases. Some dip in and out of Facebook (grrrr) others prefer Twitter, some use other social networks that I can&#039;t even be bothered to investigate. They are merely the modern day equivalent of the BBS and the Messenger for most, with some excitable early adopters, many of whom maybe weren&#039;t using BBS&#039;s or Messengers a decade ago, trying to convince the rest of us how exciting and revolutionary they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer is, you haven&#8217;t actually missed anything. I too was away in August and didn&#8217;t once check into Twitter (I cannot abide Facebook but that&#8217;s another story). Indeed, I only checked my email once, and, faced with over 200 messages in my inbox, quickly scanned through, saw there was nothing pressing and forgot about it for the duration.</p>
<p>To me, the furore about social media is way overblown Yes, it has its benefits business wise, but I am not as excited about it as many who swear it&#8217;s the best thing since sliced bread, will be the death of the job boards and is destined to change the world forever, because I have already been there, done it back in 1999 when BBS forums and messengers were all the rage. We had meet ups, we laughed at each others silly user names, we discussed everything under the sun online. It was new and novel. I even got a bit of business out of it. But, the fact of the matter is that, although things have advanced from back then and as clever as it is, there isn&#8217;t enough time in the day to cover all bases. Some dip in and out of Facebook (grrrr) others prefer Twitter, some use other social networks that I can&#8217;t even be bothered to investigate. They are merely the modern day equivalent of the BBS and the Messenger for most, with some excitable early adopters, many of whom maybe weren&#8217;t using BBS&#8217;s or Messengers a decade ago, trying to convince the rest of us how exciting and revolutionary they are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why people power did not close The News of the World by Tracey Dunn</title>
		<link>http://bluesky-pr.net/blog/pr/why-people-power-did-not-close-the-news-of-the-world/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting - I do take your point and I certainly wasn&#039;t intending to insult anyone - I have no probelm with people reading tittle tattle if that is what they want to do - it doesnt float my boat  but I wouldnt presume to dictate to people what they can and can&#039;t read. My point was that  the NOTW had the biggest circulation of any other newspaper  - so there was very definitely an appetite.

I have no doubt that the people Will Self was referring were different to the people that mumsnet were referring to. My point, which I stand by, was that it wasnt public opinion that forced the NOTW to close - social media is powerful - of that there is no doubt - but in this case it wasnt the victor! The Sun on Sunday registration -  in my view had a direct correlation to the announcement much earlier - of a potential move to a seven day operation - and having one Managing Editor rather than two separate ones - a story that broke before the whole hacking debacle.
It&#039;s interesting that Newscorp have now backed out of the bid - so perhaps that proves me wrong.  It will also be interesting to see in a years time if Newscorp divests itself of NI and rebids!

Just my humble opinion:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting &#8211; I do take your point and I certainly wasn&#8217;t intending to insult anyone &#8211; I have no probelm with people reading tittle tattle if that is what they want to do &#8211; it doesnt float my boat  but I wouldnt presume to dictate to people what they can and can&#8217;t read. My point was that  the NOTW had the biggest circulation of any other newspaper  &#8211; so there was very definitely an appetite.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that the people Will Self was referring were different to the people that mumsnet were referring to. My point, which I stand by, was that it wasnt public opinion that forced the NOTW to close &#8211; social media is powerful &#8211; of that there is no doubt &#8211; but in this case it wasnt the victor! The Sun on Sunday registration &#8211;  in my view had a direct correlation to the announcement much earlier &#8211; of a potential move to a seven day operation &#8211; and having one Managing Editor rather than two separate ones &#8211; a story that broke before the whole hacking debacle.<br />
It&#8217;s interesting that Newscorp have now backed out of the bid &#8211; so perhaps that proves me wrong.  It will also be interesting to see in a years time if Newscorp divests itself of NI and rebids!</p>
<p>Just my humble opinion:)</p>
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